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« on: September 22, 2006, 03:29:54 PM »

Hi Everyone,

Firstly, thank you to Mark for hosting this forum.

I've recently moved to Bangkok from New York via Hawaii. I have been shooting seriously for almost 2 years. Have had a PBase gallery for about 4 years (www.pbase.com/charleswilliam3). I also have a blog; http://cwlawrencephoto.blogspot.com/ . I shoot with a Nikon D70, an 18-75 Nikor lens and a 75-300 Nikor lens. Recently I have been noticing that my photos don't look sharp enough and are undersaturated. I don't know if its just me, that my gear is failing, or if I have inadvertantly changed something in my workflow. I shoot RAW, convert in PS raw converter, Curves adjustment, and save as jpeg 12.

I would love to get a Bangkok photo club going - if there isn't one already! Anyone interested? Even just a few people to go out and shoot with occasionally would be great. I love photography!

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« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2006, 04:21:56 PM »

Your pictures really rock. I think we all love photography here. Maybe we should go out for drinks some day.
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« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2006, 11:42:34 PM »

Welcome aboard CW. I think you will find a community of people here who also love photography and, particularly, the way it relates to Thailand. I think you will also find there is a good sized core group here in the Forum who are happy to discuss all sorts of topics and offer advice on a subject whenever they can. Best wishes...
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« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2006, 08:25:40 AM »

Welcome Lawrence

>> I shoot with a Nikon D70, an 18-75 Nikor lens and a 75-300 Nikor lens. Recently I have been noticing that my photos don't look sharp enough and are undersaturated.

The best is to show one picture out of your camera and to give its associated exif data to see the settings you are using.
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« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2006, 05:57:06 PM »

Hi CWL, Nice to have somebody with your abilities in Bangkok, really great pictures on those links, yes there are quite a few very serious amateur photographers in the Nonthaburi area (40 minutes from down town BK) where we live, we often go out for shoots and are always looking for people to join us.  If needed I can introduce you to some of the others.
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« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2006, 01:29:26 PM »

Thanks everyone!

Here is a composite of what I see. Just not crisp enough for my taste, but I seem to have hit a wall here. Not sure what to do to improve.
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« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2006, 10:49:53 AM »

My guess is that the fringing and moiring that is occurring on the monk's robe and those artifacts occurring on his head are a facet of the D70 itself, which I believe was one of the first generation Nikon DSLR bodies. I had the same problems when I used to shoot with the Canon 10D which employed their older processor technology and had posted a similar example somewhere here on the Forum before.

Basically I found that 6MP DSLR cameras don't capture enough detail in small areas on shots that are not close-up on the subject like the one you posted and that the sensors and DSLR processors with the older technology can not resolve edges like that so well. It may also have something to do with your lens, but I am not familiar enough with Nikon lenses to know if the ones you are using are their higher quality ones or not. I would think with one of their top lenses and a 10MP body the image quality should be better.

As for the colors, the flat colors on this shot appear to be because you were shooting in either overcast or flat diffused daylight, both of which produce the same sort of result as seen here. The limited contrast and punchiness of the photo in general would again probably be lens related. But looking at the RAW file, which seems a bit green, I would guess you had the white balance set at about 4,000 Kva, whereas in this sort of light you probably would have at least gotten a warmer tone to the image by developing it at about 5,500 Kva. Again, in that sort of light though you can not expect any contrast in terms of either the colors or from the highlight to shadow range.

As for your developed image, it appears to me you came out with too much Magenta. If it were me, I would have developed it at around 5,500 Kva as I said and then played with the color balance again in Photoshop to get it just right.

I also don't feel this image is undersaturated. The color saturation looks fine to me. Again, when an image has more contrast in general, there is a range of color saturation to go along with it, so it helps to give the perception of an image having better saturation in certain areas of the photo across the range of colors within the shadow to highlight ranges. But since this image has no contrast and was shot in flat light as I said you might perceive the colors as being dull when they are not. Saturation can be increased of course later during digital post production, but I am afraid if you increase saturation on this image, when really probably what you want is more contrast, it will only end up looking a bit oversaturated.

The other thing about saturation to bear in mind is that digital records colors literally as they are whereas, when we were shooting with slide films like Provia and Velvia from Fuji for example, they would oversaturate colors and contrast and make them look better than real life. We again can mimic the exaggerated effects of those films in Photoshop, but as I tried to explain above, it can not compensate for other technical limitations of an image in general.

What I like about the more literal results of digital, as opposed to the exaggerated effects of professional slide film in general, is that we can later decide how literal or exaggerated we want to make it. Slide film made all those decisions for you and couldn't handle extreme lighting temperatures either without turning too red or green at the extreme ends of the Kelvin temperature spectrum, whereas digital can handle nearly all of it. So I am counting my blessings with digital and don't miss the days of oversaturation and other exaggerated irreversible effects of high quality slide film one bit  Roll Eyes

Hope this helps.
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« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2006, 01:14:38 PM »

Thank you for the reply Marc. That was really unexpected. Really great to get such detailed feedback. Mahalo Nui Loa

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« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2006, 03:15:40 AM »

Hello people,

First of all, I am a new member here from Malaysia. I've been inspired by Marc Schultz's photography and I guess that is why it led me to this forum. By joining the forum, I wish I could learn more things related to photography. Because the photography itself had changed me to appreciate more things than before.
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« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2006, 09:53:47 AM »

Welcome aboard Faris.  I think the best way to learn about photography is to get out there and do it, and the second is to show people your work so you can receive feedback.

Maybe you could show us some nice pics of Malaysia in a new thread.

Simon.

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« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2006, 10:17:04 PM »

Yeah sure Simon. That's a great idea.
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